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    THIAN ALBUM RESEARCH UPDATE

    THIAN ALBUM RESEARCH UPDATE

    05/27/2002

    Highlight: THIAN ALBUM RESEARCH UPDATE http://www.coinbooks.org/esylum_v05n22a08.html

    The E-Sylum: Volume 5, Number 22, May 27, 2002, Article 8

    THIAN ALBUM RESEARCH UPDATE

    As a follow-on to last week's item about an article in the
    recent issue of SPMC's journal Paper Money, Editor
    Fred Reed writes: "If you and your readers enjoyed the
    Brent Hughes article on the Thian album in the May/June
    issue of Paper Money, you will be delighted by George
    Tremmel's fine article on Thian albums to be published
    in the upcoming Nov/Dec issue.

    George, as you may know, has a book on Confederate
    Currency coming out soon (to be published by McFarland)
    and has done extensive research on this series. George's
    article on the Thian albums was originally scheduled

    The E-Sylum: Volume 5, Number 22, May 27, 2002, Article 8

    THIAN ALBUM RESEARCH UPDATE
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    THIAN ALBUM RESEARCH UPDATE

    THIAN ALBUM RESEARCH UPDATE

    05/27/2002

    Highlight: THIAN ALBUM RESEARCH UPDATE http://www.coinbooks.org/esylum_v05n22a08.html The E-Sylum: Volume 5, Number 22, May 27, 2002, Article 8THIAN ALBUM RESEARCH UPDATE As a follow-on to last week's item about an article in the recent issue of SPMC's journal Paper Money, Editor Fred Reed writes: "If you and your readers enjoyed the Brent Hughes article on the Thian album in the May/June issue of Paper Money, you will be delighted by George Tremmel's fine article on Thian albums to be published in the upcoming Nov/Dec issue. George, as you may know, has a book on Confederate Currency coming out soon (to be published by McFarland) and has done extensive research on this series. George's article on the Thian albums was originally scheduled to appear in the special Confederate issue, but was one

    The E-Sylum: Volume 5, Number 22, May 27, 2002, Article 8THIAN ALBUM RESEARCH UPDATE As a follow-on

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    THIAN ALBUM DISCOVERY ACCOUNT

    THIAN ALBUM DISCOVERY ACCOUNT

    05/19/2002

    Highlight: THIAN ALBUM DISCOVERY ACCOUNT http://www.coinbooks.org/esylum_v05n21a12.html

    The E-Sylum: Volume 5, Number 21, May 19, 2002, Article 12

    THIAN ALBUM DISCOVERY ACCOUNT

    The May/June 2002 issue of Paper Money, The Official
    Journal of the Society of Paper Money Collectors
    features articles on Confederate currency. An article by
    the late Brent Hughes, "The Night We Found Treasure"
    chronicles his discovery and purchase of a Thian
    Confederate note album containing a complete type set
    of Confederate currency. The album belonged to the
    descendants of a man who had worked in the U.S. Treasury
    Department during and after the Civil War. The family had
    once owned TWO such albums, but one had been stolen
    by a maid. Hughes ultimately purchased the other

    The E-Sylum: Volume 5, Number 21, May 19, 2002, Article 12

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    THIAN ALBUM ARTICLE PUBLISHED

    THIAN ALBUM ARTICLE PUBLISHED

    11/24/2002

    Highlight: THIAN ALBUM ARTICLE PUBLISHED http://www.coinbooks.org/esylum_v05n47a04.html

    The E-Sylum: Volume 5, Number 47, November 24, 2002, Article 4

    THIAN ALBUM ARTICLE PUBLISHED

    As promised earlier by Paper Money editor Fred Reed,
    George B. Tremmel's article on "The Raphael P. Thian
    Confederate Currency Collection" has been published in the
    November/December issue of Paper Money, the official
    publication of the Society of Paper Money Collectors, Inc.
    The article provides background information on Thian,
    his books, and collections of Confederate currency, gleaned
    from the 490 boxes and barrels of captured Confederate
    documents shipped to Washington D.C. in 1865.

    The E-Sylum: Volume 5, Number 47, November 24, 2002, Article 4

    THIAN ALBUM ARTICLE PUBLISH

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    Brent H. Hughes Correspondence, 1964-2000

    /1964

    Highlight: but dets I now have indicates that the Thian album sells for $150 and the pristine Bechtel album is worth $350. Bechtel is very scarce and my copy is one that lay in the U. S. Treasury building cabinet for many years and is in beautiful condition. When the government disposed of it in 1885 the new owner took very good care of it. I was lucky to acquire it. I am glad that you had a chance to look over the counterfeits. Keep the deteiled listing with my compliments. If you should acquire a note that is not listed, I would appreciate hearing about it. A description similar to the format I used would be helpful. I am going to set up a master list with the idea of someday putting together a booklet on the subject. The package should be sent to my post office box where I receive all my registere

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    THIAN ALBUM DISCOVERY ACCOUNT

    THIAN ALBUM DISCOVERY ACCOUNT

    05/19/2002

    Highlight: THIAN ALBUM DISCOVERY ACCOUNT http://www.coinbooks.org/esylum_v05n21a12.html The E-Sylum: Volume 5, Number 21, May 19, 2002, Article 12THIAN ALBUM DISCOVERY ACCOUNT The May/June 2002 issue of Paper Money, The Official Journal of the Society of Paper Money Collectors features articles on Confederate currency. An article by the late Brent Hughes, "The Night We Found Treasure" chronicles his discovery and purchase of a Thian Confederate note album containing a complete type set of Confederate currency. The album belonged to the descendants of a man who had worked in the U.S. Treasury Department during and after the Civil War. The family had once owned TWO such albums, but one had been stolen by a maid. Hughes ultimately purchased the other album. "I opened the cover and read

    The E-Sylum: Volume 5, Number 21, May 19, 2002, Article 12THIAN ALBUM DISCOVERY ACCOUNT The May/June

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    THIAN ALBUM ARTICLE PUBLISHED

    THIAN ALBUM ARTICLE PUBLISHED

    11/24/2002

    Highlight: THIAN ALBUM ARTICLE PUBLISHED http://www.coinbooks.org/esylum_v05n47a04.html The E-Sylum: Volume 5, Number 47, November 24, 2002, Article 4THIAN ALBUM ARTICLE PUBLISHED As promised earlier by Paper Money editor Fred Reed, George B. Tremmel's article on "The Raphael P. Thian Confederate Currency Collection" has been published in the November/December issue of Paper Money, the official publication of the Society of Paper Money Collectors, Inc. The article provides background information on Thian, his books, and collections of Confederate currency, gleaned from the 490 boxes and barrels of captured Confederate documents shipped to Washington D.C. in 1865.

    The E-Sylum: Volume 5, Number 47, November 24, 2002, Article 4THIAN ALBUM ARTICLE PUBLISHED As promi

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    NUMISMATIC BOOK FETCHES RECORD PRICE OF $115,000

    NUMISMATIC BOOK FETCHES RECORD PRICE OF $115,000

    01/27/2008

    Highlight: Thian album of ConfederateCurrency in this category as well. It sold in the 1994 ArmandChampa library sale for $25,300. Like the MPC "book", thelion's share of the value was in the notes mounted within.These "books" are collections in the form of books. I wasn'tsure of any U.S. numismatic book (or album) exceeding theThian record, but George Kolbe set me straight. -Editor]George Kolbe writes: "In the John J. Ford library sale, lot518, the single volume Colonel Green inventory, brought$37,000 hammer; Vols. 1-6 of The Numismatist, bound in onevolume, sold for $35,000; the 1851 Hart pamphlet brought$30,000 hammer (this fully conforms with your main criterion).I found these by making a quick scan of the prices realizedlist. There may be others, in Ford, and earlier.

    The E-Sylum: Volume 11, Number 4, January 27, 2008, Article 4NUMISMATIC BOOK FETCHES RECORD PRICE OF

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    BOOK REVIEW: HISTORY OF COLLECTING CONFEDERATE STATES PAPER MONEY

    10/21/2012

    Highlight: Chapman writes: Complete set of each denomination is given in Thian's album but his arrangement by denomination is so bad I will not follow it and will catalog then chronologically.... Chapter 8, "Government Seizures of 1919" was all news to me. I was completely unaware of this episode, which could have put the kibosh on collecting and selling Confederate paper money for decades. In short, a number of hucksters had begun buying up old Confederate notes and turned around and passed them to ignorant shopkeepers out west who didn't realize they were worthless. Coin dealers, who advertised nationally and sold bulk lots were being targeted as middlemen in a counterfeiting scheme. Ultimately the issue was resolved with the Federal government, but not without a lot of consternation in the hobby

    I've been reading Pierre Fricke and Fred Reed's book, History of Collecting - Confederate States of

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    Brent H. Hughes Correspondence, 1964-2000

    /1964

    Highlight: but dets I now have indicates that the Thian album sells for $150 and the pristine Bechtel album is worth $350. Bechtel is very scarce and my copy is one that lay in the U. S. Treasury building cabinet for many years and is in beautiful condition. When the government disposed of it in 1885 the new owner took very good care of it. I was lucky to acquire it. I am glad that you had a chance to look over the counterfeits. Keep the deteiled listing with my compliments. If you should acquire a note that is not listed, I would appreciate hearing about it. A description similar to the format I used would be helpful. I am going to set up a master list with the idea of someday putting together a booklet on the subject. The package should be sent to my post office box where I receive all my registere

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    The Numismatist, Vol. 33 (1920)

    /1920

    Highlight: 6.50 Thlan— Original Thian Album. Rare 2.50 ‘•t'onfed. Soldier In Civil War.” Every Confed. note nicely Il- lustrated. Big Book 4.00 Collection Russian Copper Coins for sale. Collection Early Signed Rare Cheques for sale. A. Atlas Leve, Syracuse, N. Y. -V. N. A. Xo. 11»0. ini'O COINS WHICH YOU SHOULD H.WE. — 2 Pesos Mexican Gold, $2.-; 20 Centavos Me.xican Copper, 25c.: 10 Cen- tavos Me.xlcan Copper. 15c.; 1 Cent Ca- nadian Copper, mint red. last of the big cents, 6c.; 1 Cent Canadian Cop- per, first of the little ones, 6c. Would you like to receive my price-lists, cat- alogs. etc.? Then drop me a postal. There will be no obligations on your part. U. .\. CARDWELL, Dept. G., l.od Cruoed, N. M. WANTED. A SET OP THE PAXA>LV-PACIFIC CXJIXS. Address K. O., Core of The X'umldmiitldt, IHll Mudher

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    Public Auction 6

    Highlight: Thian Album. (25.00) Acquired from Kolbe, sale 21, lot 477 , 1985 590 December 22, 1 891. ( 109) Collection of U.S. Cents & Half cents. Also Medals, Foreign Coins, Confederate & Southern Bank Bills, of T.B. Bennell...22 pp. 588 lots. Handpriced. Very good, green paper covers, chipped, old vertical fold, contents fine. 306 Large Cents, 93’s, (26) 94’s and lots, 1815 alt., 23 R.S. I, II. Adams B Sale (45.00) Acquired from Kolbe, sale 21, lot 478, 1985 59 1 Another copy. Not priced, same condition as above. (25.00) MAJOR CANADIAN SALE-307 LOTS 592 July21-22, 1892. ( 1 12) Catalogue of the Joseph Hooper Collection of U.S. Coins & Medals, Franco-American & Canada Medals & Tokens, English, Foreign & Ori- ental Coins in Silver & Copper, English War Medals, Australian Tokens. ..44 pp. 863 lots.

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    Public Auction 8

    Highlight: Confederate Notes & Thian Album, Territorial Gold, Canadian Gold Medals. Mr. Pittman purchased an extensive amount of 1/4 Eagles from this sale. (25.00) 6 3/4" x 10" 34 February 16-18, 1961. Kreisberg/Schulman. 208 pp. 3123 lots. 32 plates & Photo illustrated. Very good, picto- rial white card cover. Crowns of the World, Mexican Pesos, Metzler Collection of Peru 272 lots, US Pioneer & Territorial Gold, Rare US Gold, Lichtenfels Fractional Currency Collection 120 lots & Half Dollars, Foreign Gold & The Americas, 24 Half Cents, Quarters by Browning- 5, Halves by Beistle-11. Mr. Pittman purchased Half Dollars, 1/4 Eagles & Eagles from this sale. (25.00) 6 1/2" x 9 3/4" 35 March 21-24, 1962. Kreisberg/Schulman. 207 pp. 3024 lots. 24 plates & Photo illustrated. Very good, pictorial gold card

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    Catalogue of the collection formed by John Wilson, Harrisburg, Pa. [03/24/1896]

    Highlight: 8 A collection of Confederate notes mounted in a Thian album. Among the scarce notes are : 1861. £20. Three females. $10. Indians. $5. Group of females. All fine. Also, cancelled: $50, Richmond, train of cars. $20. Female and globe. $10. Wagon loaded with cotton bales. $5. Machinist. The descriptive portion of the album, cover- ing 45 pages with accurate descriptions of 88 notes, is one of the best on the subject. There are 56 different notes. 9 1862. Fine lot, including 21 $100. 52 notes. 10 1863. Very good to uncirculated. 50 cts. to £50. 90 notes. 11 1864. £500. Very fine lot. 25 notes. 12 1864. £10.. Very good lot. 200 notes. 13 1864. £5. Very good' lot. 200 notes. 14 1864. £500 (6), £100 (5), £50 (18), £20 (40), £10 (31), £5 (54), £2 (14), £1 (5), 50 cts. (70). Very fine lot, many new

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    The Thomas G. Melish catalogue : including rarities from the collection of Clinton W. Hester and others. [04/27-28/1956]

    Highlight: only two copies of the Thian album are known — one in the Duke University Library, the other in the Library of the Adjutant General, National Archives, Washington, D.C. However, another is in the hands of a collector — and a manuscript copy is the property of a Florida dealer, and is valued at $ 1200 . 00 . The notes alone have a present market of $225.00. This rare album should bring $500.00. CONFEDERATE 1661 — $100. April 6, 1863, 1st series, Bradbeer 403. Reconstructed sheet of four, serial letters A to D. Crisp. $20.00. 1665 — $5.00. October 1, 1863, 3rd series, Bradbeer 459. Reconstructed sheet of eight, A to H. Cut-cancelled. Crisp. $20.00. 1666 — 50c. April 6, 1863, 1st series, Bradbeer 485. Reconstructed sheet of nine. A to I. Crisp. $11. .50. 67

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    The Philadelphia Americana Sale, Part One: American Paper Currency

    Highlight: This certainly has license to be the finest surviving Thian album of the five origi- nally made, an especially elegant example of the rarest of the rare in Confederate States numismatics, and the pedigree is illustrious. The handling over the decades has been modest. A showpiece for the Confederate financial historian and priceless to the right collector of this genre. Indeed, this will be the capstone, the ultimate acquisition and display item, for an advanced collection of CSA paper money. (135,000-175,000) From the Q. David Bowers Collection; the Armand Champa Library Part One (Bowers & Merena, Inc., November 17, 1994, Lot 538); Englehardt Family; a 1964 Abe KosoffSale; Herman Englehardt; the Granddaughters of Thian. 1057 Confederate Currency Mixed Grouping. Assortment of 1862 to 1864

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    Numisma Mail Bid Sales, sale 8 [ANS New Netherlands Coin Company records, box 7, folder 8]

    6/8/1957

    Highlight: ^ 202 Thian Album (Copyright 1876) for holding CSA Treasury Notes; includes spoce for some 88 of them, and 45 pp- of descriptive material. Paper covers. Corners a trifle froyed; text almost as new. Rare and of interest. 203 Lot of partial impressions of U.S. notes, $1. to $1000., clipped out of a Heath's Counterfeit Detector. Hereto added, an old engraving depicting the vignettes on two of these. Perfect 13 Pcs. 204 Fractional Currency. 1st Issue. 5<1‘, 25

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    John J. Ford, Jr. Collection of Coins, Medals and Currency, Part 10

    Highlight: a Thian album and rare southern scrip. ‘‘Hidden away” in a large group lot was perhaps the lowest grade known $500.00 Type 2 Montgomery note that also hap- pened to be the serial number 2! % FIFTEEN Cm, Receivable in payment, of post- age.. and redeemable at the New Orleans Post Office. .Post Master. Postage Clerk. Receivable in payment of postage, and redeemable at the New Orleans Post Office. Post Master. .Postage Clerk. A TEN CENTS, [U UJt I Receivable in payment of post- I aiW age. and redeemable at the New v- Orleans Post Office. . Post Master. Postage Clerk. 118 —

    A topical index to the John J. Ford, Jr. series of auction catalogs (2003-2013) is at:

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    NUMISMATIC BOOK FETCHES RECORD PRICE OF $115,000

    NUMISMATIC BOOK FETCHES RECORD PRICE OF $115,000

    01/27/2008

    Highlight: Thian album of Confederate
    Currency in this category as well. It sold in the 1994 Armand
    Champa library sale for $25,300. Like the MPC "book", the
    lion's share of the value was in the notes mounted within.
    These "books" are collections in the form of books. I wasn't
    sure of any U.S. numismatic book (or album) exceeding the
    Thian record, but George Kolbe set me straight. -Editor]

    George Kolbe writes: "In the John J. Ford library sale, lot
    518, the single volume Colonel Green inventory, brought
    $37,000 hammer; Vols. 1-6 of The Numismatist, bound in one
    volume, sold for $35,000; the 1851 Hart pamphlet brought
    $30,000 hammer (this fully conforms with your main criterion).
    I found these by making a quick scan of the prices realized
    list. There may be

    The E-Sylum: Volume 11, Number 4, January 27, 2008, Article 4

    NUMISMATIC BOOK FETCHES RECO

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    Paper Money (November/December 2006)

    1/11/2006

    Highlight: Thian album. Text is "Confederate Note Album for a Complete Collection (with Descriptive Letter-Press) of the various Designs for Face and Back selected by the Confederate Treasury Authorities for the Currency of the Confederate States of America, 1 861 - 1865."

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    Paper Money (November/December 2006)

    1/11/2006

    Highlight: and at the same time furnish them an accurate and exhaosdve description of the varieties comprising a full seb" A page from the Raphael Thian album showing the ornate printed frame around the CSA Type 1 $1000 '^Montgomery Note/' The notes were usually held in place with paste, but in some cases sewing thread was used to form vertical loops to loosely secure them* His descriptions of the individual design ypes were exhaustive alright. His emphasis on detiiil can be seen in his description of note number one, the SlOOO "Montgomery Note": Nod. $1,000, Mantgomer)^ (written date) 1861, Engraved by the National Bank Note Company of New York and printed on fine bank note paper, in black and green, with plain back. In the right lower cor- ner of the note appears a medallion likeness of Andrew

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    Paper Money (November/December 2006)

    1/11/2006

    Highlight: Bechtel did not know al>out the Thian album because in bis introduction he mentiuiis the book by Dr. Lee and the catalog by Mr. Haseltine, hut has nothing about Thian. Mr. Bechtel states that "another want has Ijeen made apparent, namely a book or album in which these mute reminders ol our late unpleasantness can be presented, classified and arranged for each reference*" The "mute reminders" he referred to were of course the Confederate notes, but 1 also recall reading several conteinporart' diaries in which genteel ladies of the South also referred to the Civil Wiir as "the lace unpleasantness*" Could it be that Mr. Bechtel was a Southern gentleman, who had moved to New York City seeking business opportunities? Bechteks descri[)tions of the various notes were much shorter than Thian's. Of

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    Delaware Sale: 228th Sale of Coins & Notes

    Highlight: only two copies of the Thian album are known — one in the Duke University Library, the other in the Library of the Adjutant General, National Archives, Washington, D.C., How- ever, another is in the hands of a collector — and a manu- script copy is the property of a Florida dealer, and is valued at at $1200.00. The notes alone have a present market value of $750.00. This rare album should certainly be worth 1500.00 $1 GOLD 811 1849 OPEN WREATH, “L“ (Longacre similar to 1 864-L 1c) on truncation of bust, nearly uncirculated, sharp. 30.00 812 1849 Open Wreath, smaller head without “L", nearly unc. SCARCE. ONLY 1000 ISSUED. 100.00 813 1849 CLOSED WREATH, very nearly Uncirculated, sharp. 37.50 814 1849-C Closed Wreath, very nearly Uncirculated. RARE. Greatly undervalued in keeping with its tru

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    291st Mail-Bid Sale: United States Currency & Coins

    Highlight: only two copies of the Thian album are Known — onein the Duke University Library, the other in the Library of the Adjutant General, National Archives, Washington, D.C. However, another is in the hands of a collector — and a manuscript copy is the property of a Florida dealer, and is valued at $1200.00”. The present owner acquired this remarkable album from its former owner at $1500.00. What it should now bring is problematical. Page Sixty-two

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    The Repository

    1/5/1985

    Highlight: if a dealer was fortunate enough to get a Thian album, he would price the notes in the album and sell them over the counter like stamps (just pull out the notes you want to buy and pay for them). The dealer would throw away the album when empty. Douglas also said that an empty album would bring $400.00 to $500.00; Kolbe says closer to $1,000.00 and I agree . " As with the "Register," I congratulate Armand on his acquisition. The album could not have found a better home. As I write this, my May 25 (postponed from May I 8 ) sale is now in progress. At the same time,. I am busy with the preparation of another mail bid sale which will close in July. My present plans call for an additional sale to be conducted in September, along with a small offering in the late Fall. In January, 1986, I will

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    BOOK REVIEW: HISTORY OF COLLECTING CONFEDERATE STATES PAPER MONEY

    10/21/2012

    Highlight: Chapman writes:

    Complete set of each denomination is given in Thian's album but his arrangement by denomination is so bad I will not follow it and will catalog then chronologically....

    Raphael Thian

    Chapter 8, "Government Seizures of 1919" was all news to me. I was completely unaware of this episode, which could have put the kibosh on collecting and selling Confederate paper money for decades. In short, a number of hucksters had begun buying up old Confederate notes and turned around and passed them

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